The meaning of sentences like "every circle is blue" could be represented in speakers’ minds in terms of individuals and their properties (e.g., for each thing that’s a circle, it’s blue) or in terms of relations between groups (e.g., the blue things include the circles). Is one of these a better description of what speakers represent when they hear a sentence like "every circle is blue"? In this talk, I'll present three different tasks (and data from both adults and kids) that can help us find out.